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Teacher Preparedness
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 4, 2011                                                                                          
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Joe Thomas, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Bettye Davis, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA - TEACHER PREPAREDNESS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DEBORAH LO, Dean                                                                                                                
College of Education                                                                                                            
University of Alaska Southeast (UAS)                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions of the committee                                                                       
regarding UAS' teacher education program and preparedness.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARY SNYDER, Dean                                                                                                               
College of Education                                                                                                            
University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA)                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions of the committee                                                                       
regarding UAA's teacher education program and preparedness.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ERIC MADSEN, Dean                                                                                                               
College of Education                                                                                                            
University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF)                                                                                            
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Answered   questions   of  the   committee                                                             
regarding UAF's teacher education program and preparedness.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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8:04:35 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  JOE   THOMAS  called  the  Senate   Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  8:00 a.m. Senators Davis, Stevens,                                                               
Co-Chair Meyer, and  Co-Chair Thomas were present at  the call to                                                               
order. Senator French arrived shortly thereafter.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  ^ PRESENTATION: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA - TEACHER PREPAREDNESS                                                               
                                                                                                                              
8:04:54 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS  announced  the business  before  the  committee                                                               
would  be to  hear  a  presentation by  the  three  deans of  the                                                               
University of  Alaska (UA) on  teacher preparedness.  He reminded                                                               
the  committee  of  SB  83, which  dealt  with  national  teacher                                                               
certification  [though   the  National  Board   for  Professional                                                               
Teaching Standards  (NBPTS)]. He said that  the committee members                                                               
want  to hear  from  the  deans regarding  how  the colleges  are                                                               
addressing teacher preparedness.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:06:31 AM                                                                                                                    
DEBORAH  LO, Dean,  College of  Education,  University of  Alaska                                                               
Southeast  (UAS), said  she arrived  in  Alaska in  July and  has                                                               
found  UAS'  education  faculty   to  be  very  hard-working  and                                                               
dedicated. She  explained that what  makes the program  unique is                                                               
that  the program  it taken  out  of Juneau  and serves  students                                                               
where  they  are through  distance  education.  For example,  one                                                               
faculty member  spent three  nights on  a gym  floor in  order to                                                               
serve  the  needs of  a  special  education  teacher in  a  rural                                                               
community.   The  program   is   NCATE   [National  Council   for                                                               
Accreditation of  Teacher Education]  approved and UAS  will have                                                               
another  visit  in  October.  She noted  that  the  programs  are                                                               
aligned  with  all  of  the   NCATE,  state  and  national  board                                                               
standards. The  pass rates on the  Praxis exam I and  II are very                                                               
good and better than the other institutions that she came from.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:08:48 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS said  one of  the issues  that the  Joint Higher                                                               
Education Task Force  has discussed is the Praxis  exam. He asked                                                               
for  perspective on  whether  this exam  works  as a  determining                                                               
factor to decide who will be a good teacher.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LO  replied  that  the  Praxis  exam  is  the  best  measure                                                               
available.  She   explained  that   Praxis  I   measures  general                                                               
knowledge  and  Praxis II  ensures  that  potential teachers  are                                                               
prepared  to teach  this body  of  knowledge. She  said that  she                                                               
believes it works fairly well.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  said the task  force heard  numerous complaints,                                                               
particularly  about Praxis  I. He  asked if  there is  a cultural                                                               
factor that plays into this.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO replied that this has  been an issue all over the country,                                                               
not just  in Alaska. Individuals  aren't happy when  they're told                                                               
that they  need remediation. However, the  primary obligation, as                                                               
a school of education, is to  the children of Alaska and teachers                                                               
that  do not  have good  content knowledge  can't be  placed into                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  thanked Ms. Lo  for her response. He  noted that                                                               
this issue needs further review.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked Ms.  Lo to think  about whether  a process                                                               
should be  put into  place for  individuals entering  the program                                                               
that would give  them a better idea of what  teaching is going to                                                               
be like.  He wondered if there  is an evaluation process  that is                                                               
done  to  determine  whether an  individual  has  the  propensity                                                               
towards this career path.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:12:11 AM                                                                                                                    
MARY  SNYDER, Dean,  College of  Education, University  of Alaska                                                               
Anchorage (UAA), said  students are being introduced to  a lot of                                                               
their education  coursework and field  experiences earlier  on in                                                               
their education.  This allows faculty members  to observe teacher                                                               
candidates in  a number  of areas early-on  in order  to identify                                                               
students  who  might  have  some issues  within  the  field.  The                                                               
university has  added a  retention officer  to help  students and                                                               
counsel them,  if needed,  out of  the program  if they  won't be                                                               
suitable as a teacher.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She agreed that  the Praxis exams aren't  necessarily an accurate                                                               
predictor of  how a teacher will  do. She noted that  UAA is also                                                               
NCATE accredited and did exceptionally  well during NCATE's visit                                                               
last spring. Sixty-two  percent of the courses  that UAA provides                                                               
are offered through  distance education and seven  percent of its                                                               
programs are  100 percent distant.  She said that the  College of                                                               
Education  is  looking  to  make  100  percent  of  its  programs                                                               
available  through  distance  education  within  the  next  three                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:14:54 AM                                                                                                                    
ERIC  MADSEN, Dean,  College of  Education, University  of Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks (UAF),  said the university  has been  heavily involved                                                               
with  rural  education  programs  for   the  past  40  years.  He                                                               
explained that  there used to  be faculty on the  rural campuses;                                                               
however, as  the number of  students in those  programs declined,                                                               
along  with the  increase in  technology, it  made more  sense to                                                               
conduct the programs from Fairbanks.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that,  with  regard   to  the  Praxis  exams,  the                                                               
discrepancies in  scores are  related to  how recently  a student                                                               
underwent  training. Students  who  have  prepared recently  have                                                               
very few problems.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said that  when students enter the  program rigorous screening                                                               
is  involved that  includes  what  students want  to  do and  the                                                               
skills that they  bring with them. He added that  there is also a                                                               
practicum experience very early on  in order to determine whether                                                               
this is what the student wants to do long-term.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:17:34 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS commented  that an effort is being  made to bring                                                               
more Native  individuals into  education. He  asked if  there are                                                               
ways that  UAF is  working with  students so  they don't  have to                                                               
spend so much time on campus.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN replied  that all  of its  programs are  available to                                                               
students  in  the rural  communities  where  they live  and  work                                                               
through  distance education.  He  noted that  during the  program                                                               
there may be short periods of time  when a student needs to be on                                                               
campus.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  asked if UAF  is developing a cadre  of teachers                                                               
from that program that is worth pursuing.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MADSEN  replied that it  is working  very well in  regards to                                                               
the preparation  that students receive.  He noted that  one thing                                                               
that has  changed over the past  few decades is students  in even                                                               
the  smallest  communities  have  a wide  array  of  professional                                                               
options that  they can pursue. This  means that it makes  it very                                                               
difficult to attract these individuals to public education.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked him to  comment on how recruiting  is done                                                               
and how  teachers are encouraged  to return to their  villages to                                                               
teach after receiving their education.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN  replied  that  the number  of  students  from  rural                                                               
communities  who are  pursuing  education  is declining.  However                                                               
much of this has to do  with the status of the profession. Public                                                               
education  is not  a  high-status profession;  this  can be  seen                                                               
through  salary discrepancies  and  working  conditions. The  one                                                               
thing that would  attract rural teachers and  teachers in general                                                               
would be to address teacher salaries and benefits.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS asked whether more  mentoring would be helpful in                                                               
rural  areas in  receiving  a broader  spectrum  of pursuits  and                                                               
professions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN  replied yes.  He  noted  that  it does  create  some                                                               
additional challenges.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS  noted, with  regard  to  the teacher  education                                                               
program, individuals  spend a  year in  an unpaid  internship. He                                                               
said that this  is a bit unusual and asked  for confirmation that                                                               
this internship is considered a part of the educational aspect.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN  replied  that  in  one sense  students  are  in  the                                                               
classroom fulltime,  however a majority of  these individuals are                                                               
not  fulfilling  the  fulltime  duties of  a  teacher;  they  are                                                               
working under the guidance of a master teacher.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:23:23 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SNYDER added  that UAA's  students experience  at least  two                                                               
schools during their year's experience in the classroom.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LO  noted  that  at  UAS  most  individuals  are  in  unpaid                                                               
internships.  The  exception  to   this  would  be  with  special                                                               
education because many of these  individuals are already teachers                                                               
who are being trained for this specialization while teaching.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS asked  if students  get to  pick the  school for                                                               
their internship or if they're assigned.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.   LO  replied   that  students   often  choose   the  school,                                                               
particularly rural students. In  special education, because there                                                               
is  such  a  critical  shortage  area  in  Alaska,  teachers  are                                                               
frequently hired from the Lower  48 and receive their specialized                                                               
training while teaching.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MADSEN agreed  with Ms. Lo that students will  ask to work in                                                               
a particular community  or school. However, it is  not always the                                                               
students' choice; this negotiation  process must take place under                                                               
the  supervision  of  a  faculty  member.  He  said  it  is  most                                                               
important that an intern is working  with a mentor teacher who is                                                               
going to be able to help them.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:25:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER  said there's  a huge demand  for teachers  in the                                                               
state and  it is troubling to  have to recruit teachers  from the                                                               
Lower  48  because frequently  they  don't  last due  to  culture                                                               
shock.  He asked  how  close  UA is  to  meeting  the demand  for                                                               
teachers through  the three campuses.  He then asked how  UA gets                                                               
the teachers in the state to  pursue areas in the highest demand,                                                               
such as special education.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SNYDER replied that in  2010 all three universities graduated                                                               
a little over  200 teachers, which is about  one-fourth of what's                                                               
needed in Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN noted  that in  recent years  they have  learned that                                                               
teachers who  prepare in the state  tend to stay longer  in their                                                               
positions. He explained that while  at this point UA can't equate                                                               
that  with  student achievement,  teachers  who  have been  in  a                                                               
position  longer and  have  a greater  depth  of experience  work                                                               
better  with their  students. He  said that  getting teachers  to                                                               
take positions where  they're most needed does  not always happen                                                               
by choice  and teachers with  experience need to be  offered some                                                               
incentives to consider those positions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SNYDER said  that one initiative UAA has is  the existence of                                                               
some  private funding  to take  15 paraprofessionals  enrolled in                                                               
the elementary  education program  out to Chevak.  The university                                                               
sends a faculty member out there  and the rest of the instruction                                                               
is  done  through  distance support.  She  explained  that  their                                                               
anticipation is that this cohort  of students who are all Chup'ik                                                               
and  Chup'ik speakers  will  become teachers  in  that area.  UAA                                                               
believes that  this can be  successful in other areas  and Barrow                                                               
has approached the university about using this same model.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN  concurred.  UAF  has  63  elementary  and  secondary                                                               
interns in  18 communities,  with only four  located in  the five                                                               
largest  communities  in  the state.  The  other  14  communities                                                               
include very remote places and some of the regional centers.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:30:35 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. LO said  that UAS has the  P.I.T.A.A.S. [Preparing Indigenous                                                               
Teachers  and Administrators  for Alaska  Schools] program  which                                                               
heavily  recruits rural  and Native  students.  UAS is  currently                                                               
designing  the only  undergraduate special  education program  in                                                               
the  state.  She stressed  the  importance  in training  students                                                               
early.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked  what can be done to come  closer to meeting                                                               
the demand  for teachers in  Alaska. He suggested that  perhaps a                                                               
scholarship should  be offered to  students to encourage  them to                                                               
go into teaching.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO replied that UAS has  13 faculty members in the college of                                                               
education and  produces about  90 teachers  every year.  She said                                                               
that the college is currently  at capacity and more faculty would                                                               
allow  the college  to produce  more  teachers. She  acknowledged                                                               
that incentives to go into education would also help.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  asked,  with  additional  faculty,  whether  the                                                               
university  could  graduate  more  teachers.  He  noted  that  it                                                               
appears UAS  is graduating  about half  of the  system's teachers                                                               
currently.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LO replied  yes. She  noted that  UAS' College  of Education                                                               
would like  to produce more  teachers and  could do so  with more                                                               
faculty.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:33:17 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MADSEN  said  incentives  could be  useful  with  regard  to                                                               
encouraging  students  to  choose a  specific  discipline  within                                                               
education and  age level.  However, in order  to get  people into                                                               
the  profession,  scholarships   and  loan  forgiveness  programs                                                               
should be considered. UAF, like  UAS, is now running at capacity.                                                               
To address  the 25  percent needed increase  in a  meaningful way                                                               
requires looking at the capacity of the UA education system.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SNYDER  concurred,  increasing   the  faculty  capacity  and                                                               
incentives  for students  to pursue  education would  be helpful.                                                               
However, UA  will never  be able  to fulfill  100 percent  of the                                                               
teacher demand due to the population  base that UA is working off                                                               
of.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  expressed hope that the  university president and                                                               
the UA Board of Regents  would bring forward proposals for adding                                                               
faculty.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He asked  how to  measure teacher effectiveness  and what  can be                                                               
done to promote that more.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LO replied  that UAS  evaluates students  starting from  the                                                               
time  they enter  the school.  She noted  that disposition  is an                                                               
important  factor and  occasionally a  student must  be dismissed                                                               
from  the  program.  She  noted  that  the  university's  primary                                                               
obligation is to  the children in schools, not the  adults in the                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SNYDER added  that at  UAA  candidates are  evaluated by  an                                                               
independent  clinical faculty  member or  regular faculty  member                                                               
from  the university.  There  is also  a lot  of  input from  the                                                               
student's  "mentor teacher"  and the  principal in  the building.                                                               
Students are  then evaluated  at one, three,  and five  years out                                                               
once they are in the field.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MADSEN noted that UAF does  the same. However, the topic many                                                               
are  reluctant  to  address is  student  achievement,  which  is,                                                               
ultimately, the success  for a professional. NCLB  [No Child Left                                                               
Behind]  was measuring  the progress  of one  cohort of  students                                                               
against    a   completely    different   cohort    of   students.                                                               
Understandably,  educators are  reluctant  to  be measured  under                                                               
this basis,  which adds some  serious questions.  The profession,                                                               
in general,  is willing  to be accountable  if the  discussion is                                                               
focused on the measure that  indicates what an individual teacher                                                               
contributes to the classroom and to individual students.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:38:29 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  noted that his  daughter came to Juneau  for the                                                               
MAT [Master  of Arts in  Teaching] program. Each of  the campuses                                                               
appears to have a different  approach and attract different types                                                               
of students.  He asked  how the three  campuses differ  from each                                                               
other.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO  replied that  UAS is different  in its  responsiveness to                                                               
students.  She said  that sometimes  it concerns  her that  "they                                                               
hold  their hands  too much;"  however,  students have  indicated                                                               
that this responsiveness is valuable.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS noted, from personal  experience, that there is a                                                               
lot of  diversity between the  three campuses'  education program                                                               
and the students that each of  the programs attract. He asked how                                                               
the students that UAS attracts  might be different than those who                                                               
might be interested to UAF's or UAA's program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO replied  that a majority of UAS' students  want to receive                                                               
their training  in their community.  There are only  two programs                                                               
that  are  Juneau-based;  everything  else can  be  done  through                                                               
distance learning.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS   asked  about  UAF's  population   of  students                                                               
pursuing education.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN  replied that  the  three  programs have  changed  in                                                               
dynamic ways.  UAF is no longer  the only campus that  does rural                                                               
education.  Now  the  university  looks  at  where  it  would  be                                                               
beneficial to collaborate  with the other campuses.  On an annual                                                               
basis UAF  looks at  where it  can branch  out and  not duplicate                                                               
programs. He noted that this has been a constructive process.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:42:49 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS mentioned  the National  Board for  Professional                                                               
Teaching    Standards   certification.    In   the    committee's                                                               
understanding  the  process  for   certification  is  a  rigorous                                                               
process,  perhaps more  so  than getting  a  master's degree.  He                                                               
asked the deans to comment on how they view this certification.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SNYDER  replied  that  UAA has  just  revised  the  master's                                                               
program so that it is based  on board standards and students will                                                               
be well-prepared to get board certified.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LO concurred  that  it's important  to  give students  these                                                               
options  and  fully  aligned programs.  However,  national  board                                                               
certification  is a  rigorous and  time-consuming process  and is                                                               
not for everyone.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MADSEN  said  that  the  national  board  process  has  been                                                               
positive for Alaska and the nation.  He noted that about 20 to 25                                                               
graduates at  UAF have obtained national  board certification. He                                                               
explained  that  he  is reluctant  about  national  certification                                                               
standards  and does  not  believe  it would  be  helpful to  have                                                               
teacher training nationwide look exactly the same.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS said  NBPTS  recognizes  the difference  between                                                               
rural  and  urban  and  different ethnic  groups.  He  asked  how                                                               
schools  specifically address  this in  Alaska. He  noted that  a                                                               
Native leader  recently indicated that boarding  schools might be                                                               
helpful for rural and Native student populations.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:47:21 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MADSEN replied  that  collaboration speaks  to  this and  UA                                                               
recognizes  that  schools look  different  across  the state.  He                                                               
explained that it is important to  be in touch with these schools                                                               
on a  constant basis in order  to recognize and respond  to these                                                               
differences.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SNYDER said,  with respect  to  the boarding  or hub  school                                                               
idea,  there are  very few  high-quality courses  that cannot  be                                                               
taught  effectively through  technology  for  K-12 students.  She                                                               
explained that  rather than pull  more children out  of villages,                                                               
it  is  important to  look  to  technology.  The course  work  is                                                               
available;  there just  need to  be better  ways to  deliver that                                                               
content in villages so the teacher becomes more facilitative.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO  agreed with Ms.  Snyder. She encouraged the  committee to                                                               
think about  the research by  [James] Heckman, which won  him the                                                               
Nobel  Prize,  who  said  that  early  childhood  education  will                                                               
produce  the  "most  bang  for  your  buck."  This  needs  to  be                                                               
addressed rigorously in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SNYDER concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked, with regard  to rural schools,  what kind                                                               
of an  education a teacher needs  in order to teach  such a broad                                                               
curriculum from kindergarten through high school.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO  replied that,  in this  type of  situation, a  teacher is                                                               
also a  facilitator who can  get the resources for  their student                                                               
and facilitate the process of  learning. She noted that a teacher                                                               
can't be an expert in all  areas; however they need to know where                                                               
the  resources are  and make  sure  students are  exposed to  the                                                               
information and courses.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS asked if that is effective for the lower grades.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LO replied that it is  like gifted education. The teacher may                                                               
not be gifted but they can  facilitate to make sure that students                                                               
get the  necessary information  needed. This  is the  same within                                                               
small villages.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MADSEN said  it's easier for a small group  of individuals to                                                               
have  the  necessary  content expertise  to  teach  the  subjects                                                               
required  at the  elementary level.  He  explained that  distance                                                               
education strategies  become more useful at  the secondary level.                                                               
He suggested  that short-term intensives at  regional centers may                                                               
also be helpful  and don't require students to be  away from home                                                               
too  much. There  are real  costs to  pulling students  away from                                                               
their families and communities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SNYDER agreed  with  Mr. Madsen  with  regard to  elementary                                                               
education.  She  explained that  within  secondary  school it  is                                                               
important to look into broad liberal arts preparation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:54:18 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  thanked the presenters  and suggested  the deans                                                               
forward any further comments to the committee for consideration.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked if the committee would be able to meet                                                                    
with the university to discuss the Fisher Report.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS suggested that the committee meet during the                                                                    
interim to hear this report.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said hearing the university's response would be                                                                 
valuable.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:57:26 AM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Co-Chair Thomas adjourned the meeting at 8:57 a.m.                                                                              

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